by Jason Joyner | Apr 12, 2012 | Blog, christian fiction, fiction, Trying to catch up Thursday, violence, Writing Wednesday
Sometimes Writing Wednesday can tip into…Tipped Thursday? Hmm, I’ll have to work on that one.
Anyhoo.
The massive success of the book and movie version of The Hunger Games has brought up the subject of violence in literature again. Some people look at the deeper meaning of the story, and some people can’t get past the teen on teen violence.
They must not remember high school.
Kidding! However, the world of Christian fiction has an interesting dichotomy. Sex and naughty words are a no go, but violence is tolerated/accepted much more. Mike Duran has a good post on this conundrum that I recommend.
I’ve talked about it at length here. My most recent post linked to a couple of articles that took opposite viewpoints.
I also participate in blog tours for books regularly. In 2007 there was a book featured that had some scenes that stimulated my thoughts on the topic of violence.
It ended up spurring six days of posts, with some great discussion on all of the posts. Since it seems relevant with the Hunger Games discussion, as well as catching me up quickly to my blogging delay, I present links to each of the posts.
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4
Day 5
Day 6
The take home points were that the Bible is not sanitized when it comes to violence, but it is also not written to entertain but to narrate events that happened and to show consequences. If a Christian author uses violence, it should fit the story and not be done in a gratuitous manner, and they should be sensitive to the Holy Spirit in how to show it. We can’t be afraid of the professional weaker brother, but discernment is always a good thing to exercise.
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What say you? Have you noticed excessive or gratuitous violence in a CBA book before? Is there a level for “too much?”
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by Jason Joyner | Apr 12, 2012 | Blog, christian fiction, fiction, Trying to catch up Thursday, violence, Writing Wednesday
Sometimes Writing Wednesday can tip into…Tipped Thursday? Hmm, I’ll have to work on that one.
Anyhoo.
The massive success of the book and movie version of The Hunger Games has brought up the subject of violence in literature again. Some people look at the deeper meaning of the story, and some people can’t get past the teen on teen violence.
They must not remember high school.
Kidding! However, the world of Christian fiction has an interesting dichotomy. Sex and naughty words are a no go, but violence is tolerated/accepted much more. Mike Duran has a good post on this conundrum that I recommend.
I’ve talked about it at length here. My most recent post linked to a couple of articles that took opposite viewpoints.
I also participate in blog tours for books regularly. In 2007 there was a book featured that had some scenes that stimulated my thoughts on the topic of violence.
It ended up spurring six days of posts, with some great discussion on all of the posts. Since it seems relevant with the Hunger Games discussion, as well as catching me up quickly to my blogging delay, I present links to each of the posts.
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4
Day 5
Day 6
The take home points were that the Bible is not sanitized when it comes to violence, but it is also not written to entertain but to narrate events that happened and to show consequences. If a Christian author uses violence, it should fit the story and not be done in a gratuitous manner, and they should be sensitive to the Holy Spirit in how to show it. We can’t be afraid of the professional weaker brother, but discernment is always a good thing to exercise.
—
What say you? Have you noticed excessive or gratuitous violence in a CBA book before? Is there a level for “too much?”
—
by Jason Joyner | Nov 5, 2007 | Biblical worldview, Blog, CBA, fiction, violence
What to say in the end? I’ve raised different facets that play into the discussion of how much violence in Christian fiction and is there a line to cross? Honestly there have been several good comments that hit on where I was planning on going with this.
1. I still believe in the idea of the Christian artist having the freedom to write what they feel like they need to in order to make the story what it is supposed to be. That doesn’t mean freedom from critical reviewing, because any time someone puts out a creative effort it is open to critique.
2. It depends on the genre and audience the author is writing for. I wouldn’t expect graphic violence in a prairie romance, (unless written by Chris Mikesell 😉 ), and it would probably turn off the intended readers. If I pick up a Robert Liparulo novel, I am definitely anticipating it, and that is my choice as a reader and consumer if I make that choice.
Some genres like war or suspense pretty much require some violence, mortal danger, etc. It wouldn’t be true to the story if it wasn’t included. If it makes sense with the overall story, then it probably is needed. Yet a necessary scene of violence can become gratuitous if overblown. That may well be a point of taste that is impossible to quantitatively determine, but falls under the old adage, “I’ll know it when I see it.”
3. I am reminded of the quote from Jurassic Park regarding cloning: “Just because we can doesn’t mean we should.” I will state continuously that Christian artists should creative in freedom and integrity. Just because we can have greater freedom in publishing to write violent scenes doesn’t necessarily mean it should be done. I like what Merrie said in a comment, about the toolbox of a writer and using different techniques at the right time. Using all sorts of dramatic settings or plot twists can enhance the story. She mentioned Hitchcock showing just enough to scare without being voyeuristic about things. Sometimes the subtlety is a better way of portraying a scene than hitting the reader with a gross-out hammer.
Sure, tastes have changed since his day, and audiences are supposedly more “sophisticated”. Maybe our culture is just dulled from being able to appreciate subtlety and the build-up of suspense over showing the violence.
4. Just tonight I was watching a show on the life and martyrdom of William Tyndale. Here was a godly man who lived in constant fear and danger of being discovered, yet still managing to translate the Bible into English and write books that would change history. Finally he was betrayed by a friend, imprisoned for 500 days, and when brought for execution had the privilege to be garroted so that he was dead when he was burned at the stake. I’m reminded again how our faith is not the sanitized, dressed up in “Sunday go meeting” clothes faith we live in America. Our predecessors suffered terribly for our rights and abilities to serve Jesus, and there are millions today who also are persecuted to the point of death for His name. To ignore this dramatic history and its legacy, to whitewash the blood of the martyrs, it would be a horrible injustice to the strength of our witness.
5. Overall this was a question without any definitive answer. People in the comments hit that right away. I don’t have answers that will satisfy. We won’t have labels or ratings on books. Reviews may or may not expose issues for sensitive readers. I’ll defend an Christian artist’s freedom to do something even if I think it may have crossed a line, and I may bring it up as a reviewer. Some books won’t be for everyone.
Ultimately as Christians it comes down to us being sensitive to the Holy Spirit and His guidance. If we write something that is integral to a great story, yet we realize that it will grieve the Spirit, do we serve the muse or the Lord? (Reminds me of the ending to Stranger Than Fiction) As I try to write, I want to increase my skill and what I can portray with words, but it has to come down to how it works out in my relationship with God. If being true to that means writing books that leave the squeamish behind, so be it. If it means sacrificing a little artistry to being a disciple, then make it so.
by Jason Joyner | Nov 5, 2007 | Biblical worldview, Blog, CBA, fiction, violence
What to say in the end? I’ve raised different facets that play into the discussion of how much violence in Christian fiction and is there a line to cross? Honestly there have been several good comments that hit on where I was planning on going with this.
1. I still believe in the idea of the Christian artist having the freedom to write what they feel like they need to in order to make the story what it is supposed to be. That doesn’t mean freedom from critical reviewing, because any time someone puts out a creative effort it is open to critique.
2. It depends on the genre and audience the author is writing for. I wouldn’t expect graphic violence in a prairie romance, (unless written by Chris Mikesell 😉 ), and it would probably turn off the intended readers. If I pick up a Robert Liparulo novel, I am definitely anticipating it, and that is my choice as a reader and consumer if I make that choice.
Some genres like war or suspense pretty much require some violence, mortal danger, etc. It wouldn’t be true to the story if it wasn’t included. If it makes sense with the overall story, then it probably is needed. Yet a necessary scene of violence can become gratuitous if overblown. That may well be a point of taste that is impossible to quantitatively determine, but falls under the old adage, “I’ll know it when I see it.”
3. I am reminded of the quote from Jurassic Park regarding cloning: “Just because we can doesn’t mean we should.” I will state continuously that Christian artists should creative in freedom and integrity. Just because we can have greater freedom in publishing to write violent scenes doesn’t necessarily mean it should be done. I like what Merrie said in a comment, about the toolbox of a writer and using different techniques at the right time. Using all sorts of dramatic settings or plot twists can enhance the story. She mentioned Hitchcock showing just enough to scare without being voyeuristic about things. Sometimes the subtlety is a better way of portraying a scene than hitting the reader with a gross-out hammer.
Sure, tastes have changed since his day, and audiences are supposedly more “sophisticated”. Maybe our culture is just dulled from being able to appreciate subtlety and the build-up of suspense over showing the violence.
4. Just tonight I was watching a show on the life and martyrdom of William Tyndale. Here was a godly man who lived in constant fear and danger of being discovered, yet still managing to translate the Bible into English and write books that would change history. Finally he was betrayed by a friend, imprisoned for 500 days, and when brought for execution had the privilege to be garroted so that he was dead when he was burned at the stake. I’m reminded again how our faith is not the sanitized, dressed up in “Sunday go meeting” clothes faith we live in America. Our predecessors suffered terribly for our rights and abilities to serve Jesus, and there are millions today who also are persecuted to the point of death for His name. To ignore this dramatic history and its legacy, to whitewash the blood of the martyrs, it would be a horrible injustice to the strength of our witness.
5. Overall this was a question without any definitive answer. People in the comments hit that right away. I don’t have answers that will satisfy. We won’t have labels or ratings on books. Reviews may or may not expose issues for sensitive readers. I’ll defend an Christian artist’s freedom to do something even if I think it may have crossed a line, and I may bring it up as a reviewer. Some books won’t be for everyone.
Ultimately as Christians it comes down to us being sensitive to the Holy Spirit and His guidance. If we write something that is integral to a great story, yet we realize that it will grieve the Spirit, do we serve the muse or the Lord? (Reminds me of the ending to Stranger Than Fiction) As I try to write, I want to increase my skill and what I can portray with words, but it has to come down to how it works out in my relationship with God. If being true to that means writing books that leave the squeamish behind, so be it. If it means sacrificing a little artistry to being a disciple, then make it so.
by Jason Joyner | Nov 1, 2007 | Biblical worldview, Blog, CBA, fiction, violence, writing craft
Philippians 4:7-9
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
I’ve been heading each of these posts with examples from the Bible of violence. In winding down, I thought that this completely different passage was appropriate, but it needs explanation.
I’ve seen this beautiful Scripture used as a bludgeon on anything that didn’t meet one person’s view of “whatever is lovely, pure,” or etc. I don’t think it is meant to be used like that, and it is definitely not my intention in this argument to do that either. I even debated whether to use this verse because of past misuse of it, but I felt that it still had an important consideration.
I’ve honestly meditated about this, and I’ve decided you can’t use “lovely” or “pure” to the exception of “admirable,” “noble,” and “right.” Some may argue that an author shouldn’t use any violence or portray a dangerous situation without blood and gore. I don’t agree. The contrast from showing true nobility overcoming true evil is a powerful image in fiction.
This leads to context. Sometimes, even most times will call for an example of the trial the protagonist. A hero escaping mortal danger is inherently more dramatic than our hero escaping from a group of grey-haired grandmas at a potluck accosting him for having a tattoo. It is a potent tool to let us see, hear, feel, smell, or taste the danger.
So the use of violence can clearly fall under the guidance of Phil 4:8. I thought today would be the end, but this topic fleshed out more than I intended, so I’ll finish up (likely…) tomorrow.
by Jason Joyner | Nov 1, 2007 | Biblical worldview, Blog, CBA, fiction, violence, writing craft
Philippians 4:7-9
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
I’ve been heading each of these posts with examples from the Bible of violence. In winding down, I thought that this completely different passage was appropriate, but it needs explanation.
I’ve seen this beautiful Scripture used as a bludgeon on anything that didn’t meet one person’s view of “whatever is lovely, pure,” or etc. I don’t think it is meant to be used like that, and it is definitely not my intention in this argument to do that either. I even debated whether to use this verse because of past misuse of it, but I felt that it still had an important consideration.
I’ve honestly meditated about this, and I’ve decided you can’t use “lovely” or “pure” to the exception of “admirable,” “noble,” and “right.” Some may argue that an author shouldn’t use any violence or portray a dangerous situation without blood and gore. I don’t agree. The contrast from showing true nobility overcoming true evil is a powerful image in fiction.
This leads to context. Sometimes, even most times will call for an example of the trial the protagonist. A hero escaping mortal danger is inherently more dramatic than our hero escaping from a group of grey-haired grandmas at a potluck accosting him for having a tattoo. It is a potent tool to let us see, hear, feel, smell, or taste the danger.
So the use of violence can clearly fall under the guidance of Phil 4:8. I thought today would be the end, but this topic fleshed out more than I intended, so I’ll finish up (likely…) tomorrow.
